My understanding is the C&E bet pays 3:1 for craps and 7:1 on the Yo. So for a typical $5 C&E I could either get $15 for 2,3,12 or $35 on the Yo. If a casino accepts hot bets couldn't you construct this same bet with better payouts by doing a $1 hot bet on 2,3,12 (each) and a $2 hot bet on the Yo? Here is an overview of craps bets with medium odds that you can make. Have a 16.7% chance of winning an Any 7 bet, with a payout of 4/1. This gives the house a substantial edge of 16.9%. This is quite high compared to some of the bets we've seen above, yet still a solid choice if you're chasing more slightly more daring bets.
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1) Set the dice with crossed sixes on top.
2) Rub your fingers on the felt slowly at least twice.
3) Gently pick up the dice with three fingers only.
4) Shout 'Come on boxcars! Baby needs a new pair of shoes!! Hard twelve one time!!!'
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5) Forcefully launch the dice with a 25 degree loft and 2x revolution backspin angular velocity.This technique works for me.*
Here is what I would do and the reasons why:
Scenario:
- 300 risked
- 3,000 is already won and locked away.
- 2 is needed prior to a 7 to win 18,000
- prior point was made so you are on a come out roll
My play assuming any 7 pays 5-1, if its 4-1 I would adjust a bit:
- Come out roll bet 10,000 on the DC, 700 on the 11 (Yo), 2500 on any 7, 100 on the 12
- if the 2 comes!!, you win the DC and the All bets but lose 7, 11, 12 bets (18,000 + 10,000-3,300 = 24,700)
- if the 3 comes, you win the DC and lose the yo, 12, and any 7 . still alive (10,000-3,300 = 6,700)
- if the 11 comes, you cover your DC bet but lose your 7, 12 bets . still alive (10,500-10,000-2,600 = -2,100)
- if the 12 comes, you lose your DC and Yo bet.still alive (3,000 - 3,200 = -200)
- if the 7 comes, you win any 7 bet and lose DC, Yo, and 12 bets (12,500 -10,000-800 = 1,700)
In the above scenarios, you are pretty well hedged positioned to win in all possible ways accept the Yo. If none of the above numbers are rolled on the come out , then you lost the any 7, yo, and 12 bets (-3,300) but you still have the 10,000 on the DC and you are positioned to win regardless of what the come out number is . You only care about the 2 or 7 at this point.
- if the 2 comes, you win the All bet . Congrats, at this point you have only lost out 3,300 from the any 7, Yo, and 12 for an aggregate profit of 14,700 (18,000 - 3,300). Your 10,000 DC is still up. You can take that down or even take half away if you want and let it ride.
- if the 7 comes , you win your DC minus your initial any 7, Yo, and 12 bets for an aggregate profit of 6700 (10,000-3,300 = 6,700)
With this played out scenario you basically guarantee yourself a profit of either 14,700 or 6,700. Give or take depending on the come out scenarios. If the yo comes a few times in a row on the come out, that will take away from the profit. rethinking. I may even put an extra 100 or 200 on the yo on come out roll.
I understand people like to go for the home run and think hedging is foolish. I disagree in scenarios where you can guarantee yourself a Win , whereas the probability of the home run play is very low ( 2 is .027 chance of hitting (1 in 36) If the probability of winning were to be much greater, say 50% or more, than I may not hedge depending on the risk/payout ratio.
Yo mentioned that this happens often. perhaps 5 times already or 5x a day. never hitting that last 2 number. always 7 out. if you lock in the 6,700 win each time . 5 x 6700 = 33,500. It adds up over time.
good luck!
I don't typically play the side bets, but when I do, it is usually the All Small Tall bet. I see it hit much more often then the other side bets. So there is reason to believe that this can happen to someone several times a day.
Here is what I would do and the reasons why:
Scenario:
- 300 risked
- 3,000 is already won and locked away.
- 2 is needed prior to a 7 to win 18,000
- prior point was made so you are on a come out roll
My play assuming any 7 pays 5-1, if its 4-1 I would adjust a bit:
- Come out roll bet 10,000 on the DC, 700 on the 11 (Yo), 2500 on any 7, 100 on the 12
- if the 2 comes!!, you win the DC and the All bets but lose 7, 11, 12 bets (18,000 + 10,000-3,300 = 24,700)
- if the 3 comes, you win the DC and lose the yo, 12, and any 7 . still alive (10,000-3,300 = 6,700)
- if the 11 comes, you cover your DC bet but lose your 7, 12 bets . still alive (10,500-10,000-2,600 = -2,100)
- if the 12 comes, you lose your DC and Yo bet.still alive (3,000 - 3,200 = -200)
- if the 7 comes, you win any 7 bet and lose DC, Yo, and 12 bets (12,500 -10,000-800 = 1,700)
In the above scenarios, you are pretty well hedged positioned to win in all possible ways accept the Yo. If none of the above numbers are rolled on the come out , then you lost the any 7, yo, and 12 bets (-3,300) but you still have the 10,000 on the DC and you are positioned to win regardless of what the come out number is . You only care about the 2 or 7 at this point.
- if the 2 comes, you win the All bet . Congrats, at this point you have only lost out 3,300 from the any 7, Yo, and 12 for an aggregate profit of 14,700 (18,000 - 3,300). Your 10,000 DC is still up. You can take that down or even take half away if you want and let it ride.
- if the 7 comes , you win your DC minus your initial any 7, Yo, and 12 bets for an aggregate profit of 6700 (10,000-3,300 = 6,700)
With this played out scenario you basically guarantee yourself a profit of either 14,700 or 6,700. Give or take depending on the come out scenarios. If the yo comes a few times in a row on the come out, that will take away from the profit. rethinking. I may even put an extra 100 or 200 on the yo on come out roll.
I understand people like to go for the home run and think hedging is foolish. I disagree in scenarios where you can guarantee yourself a Win , whereas the probability of the home run play is very low ( 2 is .027 chance of hitting (1 in 36) If the probability of winning were to be much greater, say 50% or more, than I may not hedge depending on the risk/payout ratio.
Yo mentioned that this happens often. perhaps 5 times already or 5x a day. never hitting that last 2 number. always 7 out. if you lock in the 6,700 win each time . 5 x 6700 = 33,500. It adds up over time.
good luck!
You are missing the scenario where point is established and made before a 2 is rolled and you are out the DC and all your other bets, and back to square one on the All All.
You are missing the scenario where point is established and made before a 2 is rolled and you are out the DC and all your other bets, and back to square one on the All All.
You are absolutely right. My apologies. I was rushing to a meeting and did not think about that scenario. Shame on me. I will rethink this later.
My play assuming any 7 pays 5-1, if its 4-1 I would adjust a bit: Monroe la casino.
Just about every craps table I have seen the any7 pays 5 for 1 or 4 to 1. (different in England)sure hope you agree and if not your ignorance (lack of knowledge or information.) is showing on that matter.
- Come out roll bet 10,000 on the DC,
a DC bet is not allowed on the come out roll. never seen it, table or machine.what tables do you play at that allow this?
the don't pass is allowed on the comeout roll.
I guess (could be wrong) you never really make these bets.
I have made many Lay bets over the years and find that almost 100% of players have no clue what they are.
I also agree you did not leave room for the point to be hit.
Just about every craps table I have seen the any7 pays 5 for 1 or 4 to 1. (different in England)
sure hope you agree and if not your ignorance (lack of knowledge or information.) is showing on that matter.
a DC bet is not allowed on the come out roll. never seen it, table or machine.
what tables do you play at that allow this?
the don't pass is allowed on the comeout roll.
I guess (could be wrong) you never really make these bets.
I have made many Lay bets over the years and find that almost 100% of players have no clue what they are.
I also agree you did not leave room for the point to be hit.
I assumed he meant DP.
U t correct. Of course. . i meant DP.
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You are absolutely right. My apologies. I was rushing to a meeting and did not think about that scenario. Shame on me. I will rethink this later.
This was a really interesting post/scenario. The final answer is.. enjoy the 3000 you already won and hope for the best on hitting the 2. Lol. Unless you could somehow find some place that would allow you to lay the 2, theres no significant guarantee hedge worth while.
